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Benjamin Hunt

Time and space are lengths that do not tangibly exist in reality. As these statements contradict themselves, Plato’s definition of play contracts itself as well being two things at the same time much as the first statement that space and time are the same two things but do not hold material substance.

-“According to the first view, dance conduces to order III the soul and the body politic. Second explanation, which sees dance as a disruptive force”

Repercussions clearly do accrue because fear is created by believing that space and time are two different things because fear is not rational because your seeing a fantasy that only one can see.

“serves an ancient source of various contemporary concerns about the dangers of play as an immersive and mesmerizing activity that can lead to irrational activities and confusion about reality.


He grafts onto the natural sensibility to rhythm and harmony the element of pleasure inherent in the dance. This delight, he says, is not natural but divine in origin. The gods who are given to mortals as partners in the dance P48

Dancers understand more conceptions of how people psychically move, receive and balance of relation. How knowing how to move through space and extenuate themselves to convey connection much as langue does creates understanding of how you move and how others move by perceived experience. -“the dancers were thought to be directly imitating divine forms.”


Understanding of blood running through veins or food being processed into food is the same understand of what art and dance are, conceptionaly art made of material but replacing the material with truth yourself you convey real things of your self then a fantasy that is not real. Allowing to convey real things with your body is the origin of truth and life yourself. This belief that gods were given to mortals as partners, the perception of mortal and god is the same as dancing or not dancing. The dance is self defined.

Caiti

(Sidenote: the PDF stopped working when I tried to refer back to it for this QQ, so I ended up just using the other reading) "In contrast to the function of Greek choreia and other ritual dances performed in public the contemporary practice of dancing in nightclubs and other commercial venues is considered to be wholly recreational. "Clubbing" is conceived as an activity of releasing energy, personal expression, and informal socialization."

I find it interesting how, in our culture, dance has transformed into something that can be seen as 'play.' I mean, there may be something 'ritualistic' about going to a club (such as getting ready and making sure you have your group of friends with you), but not necessarily in the 'religious' way. I find it also interesting that I hadn't ever truly thought of dance as 'play,' more of an art form, and is that because of the environment I'm in? As in, for whatever reason it hadn't actually clicked that dance was considered play at this moment.

Fiona

  • "In the case of Greek dance, the dancers were thought to be directly imitating divine forms. The dancers, as all humans, were thought to be "paignion" - the playthings of the gods..."

This reminds me of the Yoruba practice of Engungun, in which the wearer of a sacred and elaborate mask/garment is possessed by the spirit associated with it, and used to walk through the town, bestow blessings, etc. However, I don't think I would consider Engungun play, because of paizo's mimesis factor; the goal isn't to imitate the spirits, it's to bridge the gap between the spirit and human worlds. Vessels vs playthings. Can such sacred, ritual practices be considered play?

Sidney

  • "Dances in particular could be of a playful nature, as one of the verbs for dance in ancient Greek (paizo), with its ambiguous meanings "to dance" and "to play," indicates. To dance is in a sense to become once again a child, as suggested by the derivation of paizo from pais (child). To play meant to represent the "other" mimetically in dance dramas"
  • "We must spend our whole lives 'playing' at certain games-sacrifice, singing, and dancing-so as to win the gods' favor, protect ourselves from our enemies, and conquer them in battle." (not trying to cop out by using the first quote)

I'm suddenly reminded of a Twilight Zone episode (Kick the Can [1]) for obvious reasons (at least to me). The belief that powers that be can allow you to be suspended from real life. Not that this is super pertinent to the topic at hand but, this passage reminded me of the human struggle for returning to childhood, ideas of nostalgia and the search for immortality. Why does play have such an important part of that struggle?

  • " A person who does not know how to dance is called achoreutos, by which plato means "uneducated," in short, not a citizen."

Highlights the worth of dance and other forms of paizo in ancient greece vs. modern times. Not to say that everyone thought like Plato in Ancient Greece, but what did it mean to make these accusations then? If the gods are dancing or the forming and unfolding of fate is considered all a dance/paizo, then you are not dancing with them you are not a part of the world.